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	<title>Comments on: Copyright misconceptions about showing movies at youth group</title>
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		<title>By: Can I Show Movies to our Youth Group? - MinistryQuestions.com</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177458</link>
		<dc:creator>Can I Show Movies to our Youth Group? - MinistryQuestions.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177359</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah geez!  Well, it&#039;s a good thing the CVLI exists!   
 
Thanks for your wisdom and expertise!   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah geez!  Well, it&#039;s a good thing the CVLI exists!   </p>
<p>Thanks for your wisdom and expertise!</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeWithChris</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177306</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeWithChris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think the government would make things simple, right? 
Certainly not in the case of the copyright laws... 
 
The big issue is that we really are not dealing with non-profit law here, we are dealing with copyright law so definitions may not be transferable. 
 
The copyright law actually spells out that it must be a non-profit academic institution in order to make the distinction among all 501(c)(3) organizations and brings up even the specific point (as an example) that a  preschool must carry a license or gain specific permission to show a movie, even for educational purposes.   
 
Isn&#039;t it fun to have such clearly defined laws that are so easy to live by? (Sense the sarcasm there!) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;d think the government would make things simple, right?<br />
Certainly not in the case of the copyright laws&#8230; </p>
<p>The big issue is that we really are not dealing with non-profit law here, we are dealing with copyright law so definitions may not be transferable. </p>
<p>The copyright law actually spells out that it must be a non-profit academic institution in order to make the distinction among all 501(c)(3) organizations and brings up even the specific point (as an example) that a  preschool must carry a license or gain specific permission to show a movie, even for educational purposes.   </p>
<p>Isn&#039;t it fun to have such clearly defined laws that are so easy to live by? (Sense the sarcasm there!)</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177298</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;2. As long I am using the movie as a church event I am within the copyright laws. 
This is a false statement because the only instance in which a movie may be screened, outside of a home, without a license, is in a non-profit educational setting with &#8220;face-to-face instruction.&#8221; 
 
3. If I make a lesson out of the movie I want to show I will be within the copyright laws. 
A non-profit educational setting has previously been specifically defined as a non-profit academic institution. The main activity of a church is not academics.&quot; 
 
From a church-state law perspective, these two assertions seem to be false.  Here&#039;s my reasoning: Most churches, if they are incorporated, are 501(c)3 organizations.  Many, many other institutions fall into this category including the following: churches, mosques, temples, &lt;b&gt;educational institutions&lt;/b&gt;, charitable organizations, sports organizations, and abuse prevention organizations (among many, many others).   
 
Given that so many other organizations fall into the same nonprofit category is would appear that it does not matter if the &quot;main activity&quot; of the church is not &quot;academics.&quot;  The federal government and most state governments recognize churches as nonprofit institutions and &lt;b&gt;make no distinction whatsoever&lt;/b&gt; between whether the institution is &quot;academic&quot; or not because no such distinction exists in nonprofit law. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;2. As long I am using the movie as a church event I am within the copyright laws.<br />
This is a false statement because the only instance in which a movie may be screened, outside of a home, without a license, is in a non-profit educational setting with &ldquo;face-to-face instruction.&rdquo; </p>
<p>3. If I make a lesson out of the movie I want to show I will be within the copyright laws.<br />
A non-profit educational setting has previously been specifically defined as a non-profit academic institution. The main activity of a church is not academics.&quot; </p>
<p>From a church-state law perspective, these two assertions seem to be false.  Here&#039;s my reasoning: Most churches, if they are incorporated, are 501(c)3 organizations.  Many, many other institutions fall into this category including the following: churches, mosques, temples, <b>educational institutions</b>, charitable organizations, sports organizations, and abuse prevention organizations (among many, many others).   </p>
<p>Given that so many other organizations fall into the same nonprofit category is would appear that it does not matter if the &quot;main activity&quot; of the church is not &quot;academics.&quot;  The federal government and most state governments recognize churches as nonprofit institutions and <b>make no distinction whatsoever</b> between whether the institution is &quot;academic&quot; or not because no such distinction exists in nonprofit law.</p>
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		<title>By: Links for May 29, 2009 &#124; Youth Hacks</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177170</link>
		<dc:creator>Links for May 29, 2009 &#124; Youth Hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Copyright Misconceptions - Ever wonder if you&#8217;re violating copyright law by showing film clips at your church? This article is a must-read. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Deek Dubberly</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177147</link>
		<dc:creator>Deek Dubberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  It&#039;s totally an integrity issue.  (Hence, my comment, &quot;Its wrong.&quot;)  In my experience the people who show movies illegally, and the ones who&#039;ve gotten mad at me for telling them its illegal, they often are people of integrity.  They&#039;re just ignorant about this stuff.  They fall very nicely into your &quot;common misconceptions&quot; category.  I wish I could take your post here, put Billy Graham&#039;s name on it, and send it to every copyright-ignorant (and it&#039;s okay to fall into this category), well-meaning minister in America.  I bet they&#039;d wake up and listen then!  Again, though, thanks for the post. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  It&#039;s totally an integrity issue.  (Hence, my comment, &quot;Its wrong.&quot;)  In my experience the people who show movies illegally, and the ones who&#039;ve gotten mad at me for telling them its illegal, they often are people of integrity.  They&#039;re just ignorant about this stuff.  They fall very nicely into your &quot;common misconceptions&quot; category.  I wish I could take your post here, put Billy Graham&#039;s name on it, and send it to every copyright-ignorant (and it&#039;s okay to fall into this category), well-meaning minister in America.  I bet they&#039;d wake up and listen then!  Again, though, thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeWithChris</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177145</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeWithChris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good question!  Some would say that the CVLI is only applicable to the physical address of the organization listed on the CVLI application, others would say that since the license says &quot;facility(ies)&quot; of the organization, any facility would be covered, including a camp or secondary campus of the church that is owned by the church.  I can&#039;t give you a good answer either way since I&#039;m not your lawyer.  You&#039;d be best served by either talking this through with your church&#039;s lawyer or contacting CVLI.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s a good question!  Some would say that the CVLI is only applicable to the physical address of the organization listed on the CVLI application, others would say that since the license says &quot;facility(ies)&quot; of the organization, any facility would be covered, including a camp or secondary campus of the church that is owned by the church.  I can&#039;t give you a good answer either way since I&#039;m not your lawyer.  You&#039;d be best served by either talking this through with your church&#039;s lawyer or contacting CVLI.</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeWithChris</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177144</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeWithChris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob!  We do need to be cautious, not only because of how it makes us look, but isn&#039;t it an integrity issue? 
 
Some in the church think that we can do whatever we want because of &quot;religious freedom&quot; but we are also called to submit to the authorities the God has placed in our lives and if those authorities are not directly against God then we need to submit. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob!  We do need to be cautious, not only because of how it makes us look, but isn&#039;t it an integrity issue? </p>
<p>Some in the church think that we can do whatever we want because of &quot;religious freedom&quot; but we are also called to submit to the authorities the God has placed in our lives and if those authorities are not directly against God then we need to submit.</p>
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		<title>By: PastorE</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177142</link>
		<dc:creator>PastorE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, here&#039;s a stretch. What if we have a parsonage. That&#039;s church property so will the CVLI cover that? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, here&#039;s a stretch. What if we have a parsonage. That&#039;s church property so will the CVLI cover that?</p>
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		<title>By: Deek Dubberly</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177141</link>
		<dc:creator>Deek Dubberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This helps...seriously.  I&#039;ve been cautious in not allowing movies to be shown in our church in the past...only to have staff guys get mad at me for it, and I mean seriously upset.  Churches are really bad about this.  But the word needs to get out, &#039;cuz it makes us look bad, and its wrong.  Thanks for the info. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This helps&#8230;seriously.  I&#039;ve been cautious in not allowing movies to be shown in our church in the past&#8230;only to have staff guys get mad at me for it, and I mean seriously upset.  Churches are really bad about this.  But the word needs to get out, &#039;cuz it makes us look bad, and its wrong.  Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeWithChris.com</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/copyright-misconceptions-about-showing-movies-at-youth-group/comment-page-1/#comment-177259</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeWithChris.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;I originally wrote the following post forLife In Student Ministry_______________________ Ok, raise your hand if you’ve ever actually read that little FBI warning at the beginning of a movie! Well, lucky (and unlucky) for us that little warning has absolutely nothing to do with showing a movie in a youth ministry setting. Over&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>I originally wrote the following post forLife In Student Ministry_______________________ Ok, raise your hand if you’ve ever actually read that little FBI warning at the beginning of a movie! Well, lucky (and unlucky) for us that little warning has absolutely nothing to do with showing a movie in a youth ministry setting. Over</p>
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