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		<title>By: 10 ideas for keeping adult leaders on board long-term&#160;&#124;&#160;Life in Student Ministry</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 ideas for keeping adult leaders on board long-term&#160;&#124;&#160;Life in Student Ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 10. Utilize their passion. Every youth leader feels like there are &#8220;holes&#8221; in their ministry that they need to fill &#8212; small groups that need leaders, classes that need teachers, trips that need chaperons. While it&#8217;s tempting to use leaders to make a more &#8220;complete&#8221; ministry, use leaders were their passions lie, not just where your ministry&#8217;s &#8220;holes&#8221; are. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 10. Utilize their passion. Every youth leader feels like there are &#8220;holes&#8221; in their ministry that they need to fill &#8212; small groups that need leaders, classes that need teachers, trips that need chaperons. While it&#8217;s tempting to use leaders to make a more &#8220;complete&#8221; ministry, use leaders were their passions lie, not just where your ministry&#8217;s &#8220;holes&#8221; are. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guest Dip Story: Tim Schmoyer &#124; adammclane.com</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-41088</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Dip Story: Tim Schmoyer &#124; adammclane.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] their God-given passion lies, even if I have to create new areas of ministry for it to happen. (More on that regarding this experience here)  3. When interviewing for a new youth ministry position, I make SURE my values are aligned with [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://www.studentministry.org/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] their God-given passion lies, even if I have to create new areas of ministry for it to happen. (More on that regarding this experience here)  3. When interviewing for a new youth ministry position, I make SURE my values are aligned with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Using your summer interns wisely &#187; Life in student ministry</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Using your summer interns wisely &#187; Life in student ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 16:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2. Each internship should be unique to the individual. There should not be a standard &#8220;once size fits all&#8221; internship program because every intern is different with unique gifts, passions and ministry focus. When I have an intern, I usually meet with them first just to find out where their heart is, what they enjoy doing, what makes them tick, what they think they need from the internship, what they think would be most beneficial to them and what they need to learn most. And then I come up with a plan to help meet all those things. Really, this isn&#8217;t much different from what I do with my own volunteers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2. Each internship should be unique to the individual. There should not be a standard &#8220;once size fits all&#8221; internship program because every intern is different with unique gifts, passions and ministry focus. When I have an intern, I usually meet with them first just to find out where their heart is, what they enjoy doing, what makes them tick, what they think they need from the internship, what they think would be most beneficial to them and what they need to learn most. And then I come up with a plan to help meet all those things. Really, this isn&#8217;t much different from what I do with my own volunteers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Heath&#8217;s blog&#8230; &#187; Team Building</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Heath&#8217;s blog&#8230; &#187; Team Building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 08:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] I learned a lot of this the hard way: http://www.studentministry.org/2005/11/05/my-former-pastor-apologizes/ [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://www.studentministry.org/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] I learned a lot of this the hard way: <a href="http://www.studentministry.org/2005/11/05/my-former-pastor-apologizes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.studentministry.org/2005/11/05/my-former-pastor-apologizes/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Myles</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Myles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I envy that and celebrate with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I envy that and celebrate with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Life in student ministry &#187; Process for initiating leaders into ministry</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>Life in student ministry &#187; Process for initiating leaders into ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I continually stare at the unending road ahead of us, Iâ€™m thinking back to yesterdayâ€™s seminar with Doug Fields. He talked about helping students become involved in ministry, which seems to me to revolve more around creating a youth ministry that is conducive for this to take place rather than just finding a student and trying to plug them into something. His S.H.A.P.E. acronym came up when talking about the role of the adults in the process and, although the context of the discussion addressed student leaders, I think the same is true for implementing adult volunteers in ministry. I briefly discussed my general philosophy about this on an earlier blog post and Dougâ€™s S.H.A.P.E. confirms that Iâ€™m on the right track. He suggests following this model for exploring the best area in which to utilize a leader. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I continually stare at the unending road ahead of us, Iâ€™m thinking back to yesterdayâ€™s seminar with Doug Fields. He talked about helping students become involved in ministry, which seems to me to revolve more around creating a youth ministry that is conducive for this to take place rather than just finding a student and trying to plug them into something. His S.H.A.P.E. acronym came up when talking about the role of the adults in the process and, although the context of the discussion addressed student leaders, I think the same is true for implementing adult volunteers in ministry. I briefly discussed my general philosophy about this on an earlier blog post and Dougâ€™s S.H.A.P.E. confirms that Iâ€™m on the right track. He suggests following this model for exploring the best area in which to utilize a leader. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: flexnfx</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>flexnfx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tim!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure you can use it. There&#039;s also a discussion of it here: http://www.blogwoods.net/blog/?p=34 That link isn&#039;t showing up here because they didn&#039;t send a trackback, but that&#039;s okay -- no big deal. If you could include the trackback when you post on your site, though, that would be cool. That way we can keep up with what your site visitors have to say on the issue, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure you can use it. There&#8217;s also a discussion of it here: <a href="http://www.blogwoods.net/blog/?p=34" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogwoods.net/blog/?p=34</a> That link isn&#8217;t showing up here because they didn&#8217;t send a trackback, but that&#8217;s okay &#8212; no big deal. If you could include the trackback when you post on your site, though, that would be cool. That way we can keep up with what your site visitors have to say on the issue, too.</p>
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		<title>By: flexnfx</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>flexnfx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim -

Thanks for the link to this.  I can soooo relate to this.  In fact (with your permission) may publish a little of this on my site (in regards to volunteer vision vs. our (leadership) vision?

I have been part of a 3 ministries where I fel very hamstrung by a leader&#039;s vision....and their wanting myself or others to facilitate it rather than discuss and understand our (the leaders) unique vision and ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim -</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to this.  I can soooo relate to this.  In fact (with your permission) may publish a little of this on my site (in regards to volunteer vision vs. our (leadership) vision?</p>
<p>I have been part of a 3 ministries where I fel very hamstrung by a leader&#8217;s vision&#8230;.and their wanting myself or others to facilitate it rather than discuss and understand our (the leaders) unique vision and ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dad. Obviously this philosophy pertains to the general overall structure of the ministry, not to individual tasks or goals. There are still the biblical mandates to follow of evangelism, fellowship, worship, missions, and discipleship. These must be part of any ministry regardless of the team&#039;s passion. Sometimes areas of ministry require assigned roles and responsibilities, such as a camp staff, but even then everyone is together because they share a love for camp. How that plays out, though, will be different for each person. Some will be in the kitchen, others in the cabins, and others lifeguarding by the lake.

I&#039;m not pretending that there aren&#039;t times when responsibilities need to be fulfilled that no one is particularly excited about. I&#039;m just talking about the general overall implementation of leadership in ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dad. Obviously this philosophy pertains to the general overall structure of the ministry, not to individual tasks or goals. There are still the biblical mandates to follow of evangelism, fellowship, worship, missions, and discipleship. These must be part of any ministry regardless of the team&#8217;s passion. Sometimes areas of ministry require assigned roles and responsibilities, such as a camp staff, but even then everyone is together because they share a love for camp. How that plays out, though, will be different for each person. Some will be in the kitchen, others in the cabins, and others lifeguarding by the lake.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not pretending that there aren&#8217;t times when responsibilities need to be fulfilled that no one is particularly excited about. I&#8217;m just talking about the general overall implementation of leadership in ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Tim, That&#039;s great!  We never had a nominating committee here for that same reason.  Henry Blackaby says to look for where God is already working and join Him!  You&#039;re looking for where God is working in their hearts and joining Him there.  That can&#039;t miss in the long run!  Wish I had need of a youth pastor here - I&#039;d hire you in a minute!
Love,  Dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tim, That&#8217;s great!  We never had a nominating committee here for that same reason.  Henry Blackaby says to look for where God is already working and join Him!  You&#8217;re looking for where God is working in their hearts and joining Him there.  That can&#8217;t miss in the long run!  Wish I had need of a youth pastor here &#8211; I&#8217;d hire you in a minute!<br />
Love,  Dad</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Weston! If you have questions or need a little direction with anything, lemme know. I&#039;d be happy to help. :)

Lynn, thanks for the compliment. You should already have my phone number, so just gimme a call when Decmeber draws closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Weston! If you have questions or need a little direction with anything, lemme know. I&#8217;d be happy to help. :)</p>
<p>Lynn, thanks for the compliment. You should already have my phone number, so just gimme a call when Decmeber draws closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your students are blessed to have you.  Youth Ministry takes a special person and boy o boy are you one!  Thanks for all you do!

BTW, we will be in the Dallas area December 1-4th.  let me know when we can catch up.  We deff have to this time! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your students are blessed to have you.  Youth Ministry takes a special person and boy o boy are you one!  Thanks for all you do!</p>
<p>BTW, we will be in the Dallas area December 1-4th.  let me know when we can catch up.  We deff have to this time! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Weston Rains</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/my-former-pastor-apologizes/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Weston Rains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to begin with thanks for the comment and encouragement you left on my entry the other night.  It is always uplifting to hear from someone who is in a similiar situation or has at least been through it.  But to keep from getting off topic, we really don&#039;t know what we are doing into we have walked in those people&#039;s shoes or talked with someone who has.  I guess we get caught up in all that&#039;s going on and our own personal feelings and dreams to really dig into those who around us.  I would appriceate the continue of your comments or any advice you may have through email or comments on my entries.  Thanks Tim.

  Weston</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to begin with thanks for the comment and encouragement you left on my entry the other night.  It is always uplifting to hear from someone who is in a similiar situation or has at least been through it.  But to keep from getting off topic, we really don&#8217;t know what we are doing into we have walked in those people&#8217;s shoes or talked with someone who has.  I guess we get caught up in all that&#8217;s going on and our own personal feelings and dreams to really dig into those who around us.  I would appriceate the continue of your comments or any advice you may have through email or comments on my entries.  Thanks Tim.</p>
<p>  Weston</p>
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		<title>By: Radical living - in a comfortable world</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radical living - in a comfortable world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;I ran across this story of Tim Schmoyer, a youth pastor who had to leave a position and how the pastor realized the hurt he&#039;d inflicted. It&#039;s so ironic that pastors do the same thing to youth pastors that at points in their life they&#039;ve experienced.     My Former Pastor Apologizes  Wow. The title should say enough, huh? Definitely wasnt expecting this one. &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>I ran across this story of Tim Schmoyer, a youth pastor who had to leave a position and how the pastor realized the hurt he&#8217;d inflicted. It&#8217;s so ironic that pastors do the same thing to youth pastors that at points in their life they&#8217;ve experienced.     My Former Pastor Apologizes  Wow. The title should say enough, huh? Definitely wasnt expecting this one. </p>
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