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	<title>Comments on: Partnering with Parents: A more effective approach to youth ministry</title>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170391</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill - Honestly, rather than making my parents/teens sign up for this, I just forward it on. The formatting stays the same in my outbox. Who knows what it looks like in their inbox, but I haven&#039;t had any complaints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill &#8211; Honestly, rather than making my parents/teens sign up for this, I just forward it on. The formatting stays the same in my outbox. Who knows what it looks like in their inbox, but I haven&#8217;t had any complaints.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Eberly</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170381</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Eberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,

I think the process of parents discipling their children starts when their kids are young.  Forcing it to happen when kids are teenagers will be very difficult.  Not impossible, just more difficult.  That is why I love what we are doing with Family Point.  We are encouraging parents to begin engaging with their kids now, with the hope that it will create a paradigm of discipleship for them to operate under.  

In terms of encouraging parents with teens, I think the best thing we can do is resource and educate them in how to best relate to their kids.  The article in the Parent Newsletter that I sent out today (http://campaign-archive.com/?u=5b931d57a3c2afbcf5ad2e051&amp;id=c87bf3cc88&amp;e=1b6509a638) gives some great tips on doing that.

What would a Family Point look like with middle school and high school students is great question.  I think it could look fairly similar only geared to a more mature audience.  One key component of the evening is the meal.  So many families today don&#039;t even eat together.  If we can show them how good that is, we encourage them to do it more at home.

Another great idea for involving parents and students together is in mission.  Anytime we can get people serving together, we hit a bulls eye, especially when it is students with their parents.  In my experience nothing brings people closer in community than serving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>I think the process of parents discipling their children starts when their kids are young.  Forcing it to happen when kids are teenagers will be very difficult.  Not impossible, just more difficult.  That is why I love what we are doing with Family Point.  We are encouraging parents to begin engaging with their kids now, with the hope that it will create a paradigm of discipleship for them to operate under.  </p>
<p>In terms of encouraging parents with teens, I think the best thing we can do is resource and educate them in how to best relate to their kids.  The article in the Parent Newsletter that I sent out today (<a href="http://campaign-archive.com/?u=5b931d57a3c2afbcf5ad2e051&amp;id=c87bf3cc88&amp;e=1b6509a638" rel="nofollow">http://campaign-archive.com/?u=5b931d57a3c2afbcf5ad2e051&amp;id=c87bf3cc88&amp;e=1b6509a638</a>) gives some great tips on doing that.</p>
<p>What would a Family Point look like with middle school and high school students is great question.  I think it could look fairly similar only geared to a more mature audience.  One key component of the evening is the meal.  So many families today don&#8217;t even eat together.  If we can show them how good that is, we encourage them to do it more at home.</p>
<p>Another great idea for involving parents and students together is in mission.  Anytime we can get people serving together, we hit a bulls eye, especially when it is students with their parents.  In my experience nothing brings people closer in community than serving.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170378</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, or is that enough just to get the parents involved with helping out with youth nights and all the usual things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, or is that enough just to get the parents involved with helping out with youth nights and all the usual things?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brian, 

Thanks for the reply...

So what would family point look like for middle school and high school families?  

To push a little bit...

It&#039;s one thing to involve parents in ministry...as in getting them involved with helping out, fundraising, all the usual things...but how can we encourage them to intentionally disciple their kids at home?  

Thanks for making your stuff available....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brian, </p>
<p>Thanks for the reply&#8230;</p>
<p>So what would family point look like for middle school and high school families?  </p>
<p>To push a little bit&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to involve parents in ministry&#8230;as in getting them involved with helping out, fundraising, all the usual things&#8230;but how can we encourage them to intentionally disciple their kids at home?  </p>
<p>Thanks for making your stuff available&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Eberly</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170364</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Eberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,

Right now we are offering a program to families with young children called Family Point (see: http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/10/family-point.html).  It is what I believe to be a good foundation for fostering the kind of parent/child relationships that I wrote about.  Relationships that will last well into the teen years.  

Aside from Family Point I have led Parenting Workshops to help a parents understand their role and responsibility (see:  http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/05/understanding-and-parenting-your-teen.html and http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/05/understanding-and-parenting-your-teen_14.html).  I also send out a weekly Parent Newsletter designed to encourage and equip parents in their role. Here is what this week&#039;s newsletter looked like: http://campaign-archive.com/?u=5b931d57a3c2afbcf5ad2e051&amp;id=c87bf3cc88&amp;e=1b6509a638 . Most of it&#039;s contents are supplied by Youth Specialties.  

I also have parents on my youth ministry team and am always quick to involve parents in other ways within our ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>Right now we are offering a program to families with young children called Family Point (see: <a href="http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/10/family-point.html)" rel="nofollow">http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/10/family-point.html)</a>.  It is what I believe to be a good foundation for fostering the kind of parent/child relationships that I wrote about.  Relationships that will last well into the teen years.  </p>
<p>Aside from Family Point I have led Parenting Workshops to help a parents understand their role and responsibility (see:  <a href="http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/05/understanding-and-parenting-your-teen.html" rel="nofollow">http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/05/understanding-and-parenting-your-teen.html</a> and <a href="http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/05/understanding-and-parenting-your-teen_14.html)" rel="nofollow">http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/05/understanding-and-parenting-your-teen_14.html)</a>.  I also send out a weekly Parent Newsletter designed to encourage and equip parents in their role. Here is what this week&#8217;s newsletter looked like: <a href="http://campaign-archive.com/?u=5b931d57a3c2afbcf5ad2e051&amp;id=c87bf3cc88&amp;e=1b6509a638" rel="nofollow">http://campaign-archive.com/?u=5b931d57a3c2afbcf5ad2e051&amp;id=c87bf3cc88&amp;e=1b6509a638</a> . Most of it&#8217;s contents are supplied by Youth Specialties.  </p>
<p>I also have parents on my youth ministry team and am always quick to involve parents in other ways within our ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170352</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, 

I am complete agreement with you.  Can you give any examples of how this is played out within youth ministry?  I am working on changing out structure a bit but I&#039;m not sure what this truly looks like...How far do you go?  

It&#039;s like banging your head against the wall at times trying to get students to grow in Christ without the parents growing in Christ...or even spending time with them.


Also I think it&#039;s important in the discussion of distinguishing between &quot;church kids&quot; and non-church kids.  I think the goal is the same (getting their parent to disciple them) but we have to go about in two complete different ways.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, </p>
<p>I am complete agreement with you.  Can you give any examples of how this is played out within youth ministry?  I am working on changing out structure a bit but I&#8217;m not sure what this truly looks like&#8230;How far do you go?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like banging your head against the wall at times trying to get students to grow in Christ without the parents growing in Christ&#8230;or even spending time with them.</p>
<p>Also I think it&#8217;s important in the discussion of distinguishing between &#8220;church kids&#8221; and non-church kids.  I think the goal is the same (getting their parent to disciple them) but we have to go about in two complete different ways.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Eberly</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170309</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Eberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you may be surprised to learn how eager parents actually are to be involved in your ministry in some form or another.  Some of my best staff are actually parents.  Of course as staff they must have a heart for ministering students, not just watching their own kid.  Utilize parents as prayer partners.  Their prayers are effective and powerful.  Parents are also very eager to support your ministry in providing resources, food, vehicles, homes.  Communicate regularly with them and don&#039;t be afraid to solicit their help and assistance.

On your other point, I completely agree.  It is critical that we surround those students that do not have the support of their parents with other caring adults that care for and love them.  This even goes beyond your regular youth staff.  Look for adults within the church that are outside of your youth ministry, that can come along side students to pray for them, and spend time with them.  The more adults involved in students lives the better, especially when there are uninvolved parents in the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you may be surprised to learn how eager parents actually are to be involved in your ministry in some form or another.  Some of my best staff are actually parents.  Of course as staff they must have a heart for ministering students, not just watching their own kid.  Utilize parents as prayer partners.  Their prayers are effective and powerful.  Parents are also very eager to support your ministry in providing resources, food, vehicles, homes.  Communicate regularly with them and don&#8217;t be afraid to solicit their help and assistance.</p>
<p>On your other point, I completely agree.  It is critical that we surround those students that do not have the support of their parents with other caring adults that care for and love them.  This even goes beyond your regular youth staff.  Look for adults within the church that are outside of your youth ministry, that can come along side students to pray for them, and spend time with them.  The more adults involved in students lives the better, especially when there are uninvolved parents in the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nicolette</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nicolette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

You couldn&#039;t be more correct in your assessment. Parents have to be the primary spiritual leaders for their kids. And as you stated, God&#039;s Word has commanded this to be true. One of my goals for 2009 is to increase parental involvement in our middle school ministry. I would be interested in hearing any ideas you have to help increase parental involvement.

On another note, it must be noted that we ministering to a generation whose parents spend less and less quality time with their children. And we must be there to support those teens whose parents are not involved in their lives spiritually. It would seem that youth ministry have been built around such a circumstance. I don&#039;t think this is a bad thing in and of itself...but we must be able to do both. We must effectively minister to those teens who have no parents to instruct them in the Lord and to effectively involve parents to instruct their teens in the Lord.

I would love to have any of you check out my blog at youthrebellion.org. God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more correct in your assessment. Parents have to be the primary spiritual leaders for their kids. And as you stated, God&#8217;s Word has commanded this to be true. One of my goals for 2009 is to increase parental involvement in our middle school ministry. I would be interested in hearing any ideas you have to help increase parental involvement.</p>
<p>On another note, it must be noted that we ministering to a generation whose parents spend less and less quality time with their children. And we must be there to support those teens whose parents are not involved in their lives spiritually. It would seem that youth ministry have been built around such a circumstance. I don&#8217;t think this is a bad thing in and of itself&#8230;but we must be able to do both. We must effectively minister to those teens who have no parents to instruct them in the Lord and to effectively involve parents to instruct their teens in the Lord.</p>
<p>I would love to have any of you check out my blog at youthrebellion.org. God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog!


Heather
I am wondering how you format the SOUL FUEL devotions.  They look great though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog!</p>
<p>Heather<br />
I am wondering how you format the SOUL FUEL devotions.  They look great though.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this article! I just read Ministry Mutiny by Greg Stier and there is a chapter in there about encouraging parents to be responisible for their own actions at home and having conversations all throughout the week about their faith. It gave some great ideas like sending emails with questions related to the message from youth group to the parents to discuss with the teens during the week. I currently am sending SOUL FUEL devotions to the parents and teens in our youth group which are devotions from Dare to Share Ministries that are made for parents and teens to read with questions at the end for them to discuss. THANKS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this article! I just read Ministry Mutiny by Greg Stier and there is a chapter in there about encouraging parents to be responisible for their own actions at home and having conversations all throughout the week about their faith. It gave some great ideas like sending emails with questions related to the message from youth group to the parents to discuss with the teens during the week. I currently am sending SOUL FUEL devotions to the parents and teens in our youth group which are devotions from Dare to Share Ministries that are made for parents and teens to read with questions at the end for them to discuss. THANKS!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Eberly</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170276</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Eberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, we have actually begun a ministry here at Grace Point similar to what you have described.  It&#039;s called Family Point.  You can read more about it at http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/10/family-point.html  The idea is to do what you said, worship, learn, fellowship together.  Right now it is just for families with younger children, as opposed to teenagers, but I am hoping it will be a foundation for greater family ministry within our student ministry.  It has been great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, we have actually begun a ministry here at Grace Point similar to what you have described.  It&#8217;s called Family Point.  You can read more about it at <a href="http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/10/family-point.html" rel="nofollow">http://ipastor.blogspot.com/2008/10/family-point.html</a>  The idea is to do what you said, worship, learn, fellowship together.  Right now it is just for families with younger children, as opposed to teenagers, but I am hoping it will be a foundation for greater family ministry within our student ministry.  It has been great!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.studentministry.org/partnering-with-parents-a-more-effective-approach-to-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-170250</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great ideas. First time here on this blog and what a great resource!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great ideas. First time here on this blog and what a great resource!</p>
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		<title>By: -Justin-</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts Brian- I&#039;m completely with you. This sentence is huge: 

&quot;In our programming let’s dream of ways we can come alongside parents and families to equip them and resource them in their God given task.&quot;

What if we began to use a portion of those 40-50 hours a year to create a place where youth and their parents can study, laugh, play, and talk together? What if, even if just a few times a year, youth group was not just for youth, but their families as well?

I imagine those 2500 hours at home would begin to reflect those experiences. 

It is just so unfortunate for those teenagers whose parents really don&#039;t care about church at all.

Lots to think on- thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts Brian- I&#8217;m completely with you. This sentence is huge: </p>
<p>&#8220;In our programming let’s dream of ways we can come alongside parents and families to equip them and resource them in their God given task.&#8221;</p>
<p>What if we began to use a portion of those 40-50 hours a year to create a place where youth and their parents can study, laugh, play, and talk together? What if, even if just a few times a year, youth group was not just for youth, but their families as well?</p>
<p>I imagine those 2500 hours at home would begin to reflect those experiences. </p>
<p>It is just so unfortunate for those teenagers whose parents really don&#8217;t care about church at all.</p>
<p>Lots to think on- thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: brianeberly.com</title>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wR6MaOkhw_o/SUc1-gWGrtI/AAAAAAAAI5Q/NyFjEn5_2SQ/s320/partner_parents_post.jpgFor the last 23 years I have given my life to ministering to students. In my estimation there is no greater and more important age group that one can invest in. In my time, God has shown me and taught me much. Perhaps the most important of which is the value of partnerin&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: DC's Blog</title>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Here&#039;s a GREAT article on Partnering with Parents from Brian Eberly posted on Tim Schmoyer&#039;sHERE. &quot;...We youth pastors sit around for hours discussing why it is we see so many of our students dropping off upon graduation. Why are they abandoning their faith? Why are they walking away from the Church? Is it because we as a Church have failed&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>Here&#8217;s a GREAT article on Partnering with Parents from Brian Eberly posted on Tim Schmoyer&#8217;sHERE. &#8220;&#8230;We youth pastors sit around for hours discussing why it is we see so many of our students dropping off upon graduation. Why are they abandoning their faith? Why are they walking away from the Church? Is it because we as a Church have failed</p>
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		<title>By: The Grove Is On Fire</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Grove Is On Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Good article onhow parents are the chief method that God uses to grow Christian kids. It&#039;s worth reading for the content itself, but also to flag up this line &quot;we youth pastors sit around for hours discussing why it is we see so many of our students dropping off upon graduation&quot;. If I find a blog that I respect talking about youth&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>Good article onhow parents are the chief method that God uses to grow Christian kids. It&#8217;s worth reading for the content itself, but also to flag up this line &#8220;we youth pastors sit around for hours discussing why it is we see so many of our students dropping off upon graduation&#8221;. If I find a blog that I respect talking about youth</p>
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