Comments on: Questions about Deep and Wide Youth Ministry http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/ Conversations among those passionate for teenagers. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:15:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Top 12 Books in Student Ministry (part 1) « From My Student Ministry Brainpan http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178649 Top 12 Books in Student Ministry (part 1) « From My Student Ministry Brainpan Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:09:09 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178649 [...] Mutiny – Greg Stier shares the basic premise for Dare2Share’s Deep and Wide philosophy in the form of a parble. It definitely looks outside the boxes of both the traditional [...] [...] Mutiny – Greg Stier shares the basic premise for Dare2Share’s Deep and Wide philosophy in the form of a parble. It definitely looks outside the boxes of both the traditional [...]

]]> By: jeremy zach http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178424 jeremy zach Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:11:25 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178424 @Greg I love your new-and-improved hurricane-synergistcally explanation of the deep and wide model. I think that is right on and clears up the linearness and pushiness of the model. I am excited to read about Deep and Wide Model 3.0 in Group!. Also, thanks for putting up with my whining and crying about the previous deep and wide model. Our youth group just finished the GOSPEL MAUI series. Great stuff. @Greg
I love your new-and-improved hurricane-synergistcally explanation of the deep and wide model. I think that is right on and clears up the linearness and pushiness of the model. I am excited to read about Deep and Wide Model 3.0 in Group!. Also, thanks for putting up with my whining and crying about the previous deep and wide model.

Our youth group just finished the GOSPEL MAUI series. Great stuff.

]]> By: Kory Cochran http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178418 Kory Cochran Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:25:26 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178418 I love the directive and concept and I plan on using it to direct what I do as new youth leader in a small church. One thing that stood out to me is what you said about Mormon youth. They do have a higher expectation of their teens. I think probably the big reason they have such a low dropout rate is that their parents are so involved in the spiritual upbringing of their children. I've read some recent material, some may have even been yours; the statistics are quite revealing in the youth that have a stronger relationship experience with the Lord are the ones that have parents active as leaders in their spiritual life. Becasue the parent is pro-active enough to be involved they naturally expect more from their teen and they tend to get it. One of my friends is Mormon and I think its Monday night, but every week without fail, they have family night with all the family together. Because of this material I've read recently I've decided that my role is going to include activities to involve parents as much as possible and encourage (push) them to go deep & wide as much as I do their teen. I love the directive and concept and I plan on using it to direct what I do as new youth leader in a small church. One thing that stood out to me is what you said about Mormon youth. They do have a higher expectation of their teens. I think probably the big reason they have such a low dropout rate is that their parents are so involved in the spiritual upbringing of their children. I've read some recent material, some may have even been yours; the statistics are quite revealing in the youth that have a stronger relationship experience with the Lord are the ones that have parents active as leaders in their spiritual life. Becasue the parent is pro-active enough to be involved they naturally expect more from their teen and they tend to get it. One of my friends is Mormon and I think its Monday night, but every week without fail, they have family night with all the family together. Because of this material I've read recently I've decided that my role is going to include activities to involve parents as much as possible and encourage (push) them to go deep & wide as much as I do their teen.

]]> By: Jason http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178415 Jason Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:10:30 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178415 Good stuff Tim. I love how D&W has impacted your youth ministry. Thanks for all you do in the trenches for the Lord. Good stuff Tim. I love how D&W has impacted your youth ministry. Thanks for all you do in the trenches for the Lord.

]]> By: gforster http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178410 gforster Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:56:25 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178410 Although the title wouldn't go far in today's society, it is really a "Roots and Fruit" mentality. Being grounded in the Word and then reaching the lost. You can't truly have one without the other. It has been interesting to see shifts in youth ministry and ministry in general. From a program mentality to a relationship mentality. From a deep study to commercialism/relativism back to deeper study. I am glad to see people seeking a biblical balance. Although the title wouldn't go far in today's society, it is really a "Roots and Fruit" mentality. Being grounded in the Word and then reaching the lost. You can't truly have one without the other. It has been interesting to see shifts in youth ministry and ministry in general. From a program mentality to a relationship mentality. From a deep study to commercialism/relativism back to deeper study. I am glad to see people seeking a biblical balance.

]]> By: Greg Stier http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178404 Greg Stier Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:57:12 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178404 As for problems with it I have discovered one kinda big one. The graph doesn't show how the deep and wide work together synergistcally. In other words, how the deeper a teen goes in their faith impacts their witness and vice verse. So we've come up with another back up kind of analogy to describe the synergy...a hurricane. A hurricane is both deep and wide. As a matterof fact the deeper (or higher) a hurricane is the more power it has on the ground. And it's messy. I also like the "eye of the hurricane" analogy as a student's rest in the Holy Spirit. And it's messy (I say it again because discipleship is more hurricane messy than graph clinical.) I have an article on "the hurricane" as an example of deep and wide youth ministry coming out this Summer in Group Mag that explains more.____Of course where the hurricane illustration breaks down is that it is an instrument of destructiion whereas youth ministry is a vehicle of transformation. Minor detail :) As for problems with it I have discovered one kinda big one. The graph doesn't show how the deep and wide work together synergistcally. In other words, how the deeper a teen goes in their faith impacts their witness and vice verse. So we've come up with another back up kind of analogy to describe the synergy…a hurricane. A hurricane is both deep and wide. As a matterof fact the deeper (or higher) a hurricane is the more power it has on the ground. And it's messy. I also like the "eye of the hurricane" analogy as a student's rest in the Holy Spirit. And it's messy (I say it again because discipleship is more hurricane messy than graph clinical.) I have an article on "the hurricane" as an example of deep and wide youth ministry coming out this Summer in Group Mag that explains more.____Of course where the hurricane illustration breaks down is that it is an instrument of destructiion whereas youth ministry is a vehicle of transformation. Minor detail :)

]]> By: Greg Stier http://www.studentministry.org/questions-about-deep-and-wide-youth-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-178403 Greg Stier Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:56:47 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/?p=4176#comment-178403 Hey Tim, great post. When we first came out with the Deep and Wide paper I think that we made a mistake by pitching it as kind of a program. I agree that it is better described as a philosophy/strategy, etc. It is nothing new but something very old (I believe "ancient" is the postmodern cool operative word.) Hey Tim, great post. When we first came out with the Deep and Wide paper I think that we made a mistake by pitching it as kind of a program. I agree that it is better described as a philosophy/strategy, etc. It is nothing new but something very old (I believe "ancient" is the postmodern cool operative word.)

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