Comments on: The ideal youth ministry starts with the ideal leader http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/ Conversations among those passionate for teenagers. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:15:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: The Ideal Youth Pastor http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-91290 The Ideal Youth Pastor Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:37:18 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-91290 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Here is one guys take:The ideal youth pastor Kramer auto Pingback[...] Here is one guys take:The ideal youth pastor

]]> By: Bill Allison http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48543 Bill Allison Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:08:26 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48543 Because the big point is that we reproduce who we are--I think my questions are valid. As I processed the big point... I had questions. Because the big point is that we reproduce who we are–I think my questions are valid.

As I processed the big point… I had questions.

]]> By: Jason Curlee http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48541 Jason Curlee Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:58:03 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48541 @ Bill ... the big point in this is that we reproduce who we are...if love and passion are two of our values and character traits they will be reproduced in those we lead. @ Bill … the big point in this is that we reproduce who we are…if love and passion are two of our values and character traits they will be reproduced in those we lead.

]]> By: Tim Schmoyer http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48540 Tim Schmoyer Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:57:15 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48540 @ Bill: Yeah, training is definitely a huge thing for a youth ministry leader. I see it as a function that flows out of the passion for leading the ministry, although I didn't explicitly state it there or many other "functions" for that matter. Thanks for pointing that out, Bill! @ Bill: Yeah, training is definitely a huge thing for a youth ministry leader. I see it as a function that flows out of the passion for leading the ministry, although I didn’t explicitly state it there or many other “functions” for that matter.

Thanks for pointing that out, Bill!

]]> By: Bill Allison http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48536 Bill Allison Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:47:55 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48536 Tim... As always... love you and this blog. I love your emphasis: we're human beings... not human doings. That just resonates with my soul. A big fat YES to love and passion! Wondering: Where does intentionally training (students and volunteers) and multiplying our love and passion through them fit in your description of an ideal youth pastor? (How many times have we seen a youth pastor move on to another position or ministry--and though he.she may be remembered for love and passion--the youth ministry being left limps along for a while and folds up shop... until the next youth pastor comes? Can a youth pastor BE considered "ideal" without training up successors?) Should this training and equipping students and volunteers be a part of the DNA of WHO a youth pastor is? Or is training, mentoring, equipping, and multiplying too much on the "doing" part? I'm not asking leading questions here... I'm seriously wondering what the thoughts are out there... Blessings and Merry Christmas Tim... Tim…
As always… love you and this blog.

I love your emphasis: we’re human beings… not human doings. That just resonates with my soul. A big fat YES to love and passion!

Wondering: Where does intentionally training (students and volunteers) and multiplying our love and passion through them fit in your description of an ideal youth pastor? (How many times have we seen a youth pastor move on to another position or ministry–and though he.she may be remembered for love and passion–the youth ministry being left limps along for a while and folds up shop… until the next youth pastor comes? Can a youth pastor BE considered “ideal” without training up successors?) Should this training and equipping students and volunteers be a part of the DNA of WHO a youth pastor is? Or is training, mentoring, equipping, and multiplying too much on the “doing” part?

I’m not asking leading questions here… I’m seriously wondering what the thoughts are out there…

Blessings and Merry Christmas Tim…

]]> By: Jason Curlee http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48528 Jason Curlee Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:11:36 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48528 Very true Tim...passion - you either have it or you don't. I know I always come back to numerical growth, but I really believe passion about what you are doing is one key to it as well as depth in a youth ministry. Very true Tim…passion – you either have it or you don’t. I know I always come back to numerical growth, but I really believe passion about what you are doing is one key to it as well as depth in a youth ministry.

]]> By: Be Yourself « Ramblings On. . . http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48522 Be Yourself « Ramblings On. . . Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:57:35 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48522 [...] Jump to Comments Today I read a great post from Tim Schmoyer.  You can read it here. I think it is so important to lead from your strengths.  I have found that I am happier and I am [...] [...] Jump to Comments Today I read a great post from Tim Schmoyer.  You can read it here. I think it is so important to lead from your strengths.  I have found that I am happier and I am [...]

]]> By: Tim Schmoyer http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48499 Tim Schmoyer Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:30:56 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48499 The thing I thought of after I posted this is that neither love nor passion can be manufactured. Trying to make yourself passionate doesn't work. Trying to fake love turns people off faster than anything else. It's gotta be real or everything else is pointless. The thing I thought of after I posted this is that neither love nor passion can be manufactured. Trying to make yourself passionate doesn’t work. Trying to fake love turns people off faster than anything else. It’s gotta be real or everything else is pointless.

]]> By: Jason Curlee http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48482 Jason Curlee Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:33:53 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48482 Great list...as a now former youth pastor current church planter, this is well balanced list. I agree Tim it all starts with love and passion. When you have a passion for God and your family that will overflow into your love for students and ministry. Great list…as a now former youth pastor current church planter, this is well balanced list. I agree Tim it all starts with love and passion. When you have a passion for God and your family that will overflow into your love for students and ministry.

]]> By: Mike Morris http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48478 Mike Morris Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:26:26 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48478 I agree completely. This is really a great post. So many churches define youth ministry by events and responsibilities, instead of allowing the youth minister to use his or her gifts and abilities to reach out to teens in new ways. I want to be known for what I love, instead of what I am against. Thanks Tim I agree completely. This is really a great post. So many churches define youth ministry by events and responsibilities, instead of allowing the youth minister to use his or her gifts and abilities to reach out to teens in new ways. I want to be known for what I love, instead of what I am against. Thanks Tim

]]> By: Dustin WIlson http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48471 Dustin WIlson Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:04:08 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48471 Tim, Great job man. This is a must read for those who are starting out in the ministry like myself. Thanks for the encouragement. Dustin Tim,

Great job man. This is a must read for those who are starting out in the ministry like myself. Thanks for the encouragement.

Dustin

]]> By: Grahame http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48365 Grahame Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:23:51 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48365 Great reminder at the end of the year, that who we are is more important than what we do. Thanks Tim. If I may, I'll leave a couple of my favourite quotes, which have been instrumental on keeping me on the right track from time to time. 'The key to effective Christian youth work is people - people in whose lives Christ is alive, and who will open themselves to young people, not talk down to them, not dominate them with attractive personalities, but who show them how to love one another as Christ has commanded.' Mark Ashton. 'The youth worker is not primarily a talker or organiser; he is a model, a person who by the power of his Christian example motivates a dedication to Jesus Christ.' Lawrence Richards. Great reminder at the end of the year, that who we are is more important than what we do. Thanks Tim. If I may, I’ll leave a couple of my favourite quotes, which have been instrumental on keeping me on the right track from time to time.

‘The key to effective Christian youth work is people – people in whose lives Christ is alive, and who will open themselves to young people, not talk down to them, not dominate them with attractive personalities, but who show them how to love one another as Christ has commanded.’ Mark Ashton.

‘The youth worker is not primarily a talker or organiser; he is a model, a person who by the power of his Christian example motivates a dedication to Jesus Christ.’ Lawrence Richards.

]]> By: Brett http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48324 Brett Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:44:36 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48324 amen! i am finding the uphill battle at transitioning from the old regime into the ministry God is calling me (and my volunteers) to institute in our church. We announced our winter retreat and (after several other smaller changes along the way as well) immediately the flak flew because things would be different (no mp3 players or cell phones will be allowed). it is truly an uphill battle when trying to transition a ministry from the ministry that is known for what it does (which is what we were/are) into what it is (where we are headed). amen! i am finding the uphill battle at transitioning from the old regime into the ministry God is calling me (and my volunteers) to institute in our church. We announced our winter retreat and (after several other smaller changes along the way as well) immediately the flak flew because things would be different (no mp3 players or cell phones will be allowed). it is truly an uphill battle when trying to transition a ministry from the ministry that is known for what it does (which is what we were/are) into what it is (where we are headed).

]]> By: Hit the Back Button to Move Fwd http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48773 Hit the Back Button to Move Fwd Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48773 <!--%kramer-pre%-->i'd go on for a few more. if you have some specific questions i could probably help more to your needs. right now i need to get back to some of my family responsibilities tim schmoyer today (in my reader it was today) has a post a morethorough thought process on hiring"an ideal youth pastor." What if our youth ministries were known more for what they are rather than what they do? What if every kid in town knew our ministry as, “Yeah, that’s the place where everyone feels loved and accepted,” instead of, “Oh<!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technoratii’d go on for a few more. if you have some specific questions i could probably help more to your needs. right now i need to get back to some of my family responsibilities tim schmoyer today (in my reader it was today) has a post a morethorough thought process on hiring”an ideal youth pastor.” What if our youth ministries were known more for what they are rather than what they do? What if every kid in town knew our ministry as, “Yeah, that’s the place where everyone feels loved and accepted,” instead of, “Oh

]]> By: Ramblings On. . . http://www.studentministry.org/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/comment-page-1/#comment-48774 Ramblings On. . . Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.studentministry.org/2007/12/19/the-ideal-youth-ministry-starts-with-the-ideal-leader/#comment-48774 <!--%kramer-pre%-->here. I think it is so important to lead from your strengths.  I have found that I am happier and I am doing more, and better when I lead from my strengths.  This post is written to youth workers but really it can be applied to anyone in ministry. <!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technoratihere. I think it is so important to lead from your strengths.  I have found that I am happier and I am doing more, and better when I lead from my strengths.  This post is written to youth workers but really it can be applied to anyone in ministry. 

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